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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2009 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Black-Throated Wind...

Black-Throated Wind is one of my favorite, underrated, GD numbers. Though it begins just like Looks Like Rain and Jack Straw, soon it becomes it's own thing, that cool laid-back groove...Here is my current fave version:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-18.sbd.miller.79057.sbeok.flac16

Any tips about other good versions?

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

It begins a little like LLR, but nothing like Jack Straw. The best versions of the tune are, improbably, from the 90s with the synth parts.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 25, 2009 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

you made two real good points in two sentences. but aint gonna go listen to any 90s BTWs to verify. jack straw however, no, there is NO similarity, except in perhaps the most abstract sense.


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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jan 25, 2009 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

You can't handle the truth.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 25, 2009 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

thanks He Lives. I guess it's possible that some of the ancient jack straws sort of, vaguely, almost start like BTW.

you should check out some 90s versions. the rave-up at the end can be almost as good as anything they do.

This post was modified by patkelleyPA on 2009-01-26 04:16:05

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 26, 2009 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

Yeah, I've been listening to so much 71-74 lately, I had started to think all Jack Straws began with Bobby's lone strumming, but later on, the whole band starts it together, it's true.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 26, 2009 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

alright, i'll try

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Jan 26, 2009 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

both songs are in the key of E with similar chord progressions

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Poster: cpoppel Date: Jan 26, 2009 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

For the record, JS is mostly in A major, though the introductory "we can share" is in E>Fm (C#>B>A)- then it goes back to A and pretty much stays there. The 'on the run' jam is DM>Bm>A>resolves to E, but in this case the E is the 5 in A.

Same for BTW - mostly in A major, though there are points when in goes into D, during the jam sections.

/Theory Geek

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Jan 26, 2009 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

i always thought of jack straw in 'E', since the soloing is done there, and the song always resolves there

BTW, the body of the song also seems to always resolve to 'E', but yeah, in the end section, turns into the 'A' jam

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 26, 2009 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

ok, fine

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Jan 26, 2009 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

oddly ...real nice version from 91 at RFK...6-14-91

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Jan 25, 2009 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-21.sbd.hamilton.150.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

Thanks Dewd! I'm listening to it...not only is that a great BTW, the whole show seems pretty smokin'...

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Jan 25, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

That whole Berkeley run (8/21,22,24,25) is good, and often overlooked due to the hype surrounding the Veneta show which followed on 8/27.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

OK, here's my black throated wind lyrics question: What does "you've done better by me than I've done by you" really mean. I get confused on who's ended up with the short straw there. I think it works great in the song... it's not a song I seek out often, but I can appreciate the sentiment...

I'm thinking my line in question means the person singing the song has been the one slighted, rather than the singer treating the other badly.

Any other points of view?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

I agree with your point of view. I always take the song as the litany of a hitchhiking drifter who puts on the face of humility...but really feels superior. So he might say that he hasn't 'done right by you', but that isn't how he feels. I like the grittier lyrics, which are usually Hunter's domain, but Barlow can get serious on occasion.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jan 26, 2009 4:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

This really is a good song on many levels in terms of capturing broke down, broken hearted, lost young male that doesn't know what to do with himself except there is still some grit and hope left. He's obviously made some sort of self affirming choice with the "I'm turning around..."
Again, I feel like I could identify with that at least once in my life...
I'm much better now, thanks.:)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 26, 2009 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

I think you nailed it, Amos. Even down on your luck, you always have "The highway, the moon, the clouds and the stars..." :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 26, 2009 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

That is a classic line...and though I have come to largely ignore most Bobby tunes, there was a day when I listened to Ace a great deal. This song was one of my favorites, and that line esp.

I like the fact that it can be interpreted multiple ways, almost Hunter-esque after a fashion.

Personally, I generally took it to mean she was better to him than he was to her, largely because of the prior line:

"It's forced me to see that you've done better by me,
Better by me than I've done by you."

Logic being, you wouldn't have to be forced to conclude YOU were the good guy, etc., deserving of pity, etc.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jan 26, 2009 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

That would agree with him having a reason to feel that much worse.

Feeling as low as one can go is a classic country sort of thing... e.g " Too hot to work, too hot to fish, and too cold to go home..."

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Jan 25, 2009 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

i love the way for the first few notes it could be any one of the three songs, thougj like most of the songs on ACE it has some pretty dire lyrics "..slingshot on mars.." just being one example. That said about 90% of all songs have some crap lyrics

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 25, 2009 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What be crap?

Wait a minute...I beg to differ. I know what you are getting at, but, I would say it is hard to call ANY of the lyrics of DS, 11, StSt or CCS "crap." Now, I admit, you might call the imponderable density of the lines crap, in that you struggle with the metaphor, meaning, etc.

But, I don't think outright, that they are crap in the sense of "alligator lizards in the air" is crap.

That line is crap, right?

It has always been crap for me.

If it ain't crap now, the whole meaning of crap is up in the air, frankly.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What be crap?

The crap is in the air...along with the alligator lizards. :) "Whatever hits the fan/Just Might Splatter" - John Barlow

Analyzing lyrics apart from the music they are welded to isn't fair, IMHO. It's one thing to read the Dark Star lyrics cold (hopefully off of that cool parchment lyric sheet that came with the original vinyl "Live/Dead"), but when you hear them sung...with the music...they mean so much more.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 26, 2009 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What be crap?

Oh yeah! Had that little thingy for years...crap, think I lost it eventually, or it is stored oddly with grandma's stuff...or?

Now I am going to be thinking about that all day.

Thanks, thanks alot you buttmunch.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 26, 2009 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What be crap?

hee hee...hope you saved the picture book from Europe '72 also. Phil in the 'Bozo' make-up: priceless!

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Poster: Bassy Twang Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

I like a BTW from 74... plus the 2nd set

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-03-23.dts.tobin.82531.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2009 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

BT, I was just listening to that last night, how strange. Dick Picked a goodie...

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Jan 25, 2009 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

It's a bloody awful song.

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Poster: Half-StepN->H Date: Aug 3, 2012 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black-Throated Wind...

What is?? black throated wind....One on Bob's best songs, without Bob Weir there is no Grateful Dead. He pours his heart out in most versions of this song. Get a clue